new york is a good example, they're use it go not widely, but using it and studies show that assisted treatment decreases hospitalization, decreases arrests and time people spent in jail and studies from both north carolina and new york showing that this kind of treatment will decrease episodes of violence as well. and now, a recent study from a county in california showing it's cost effective. for every dollar you spend on this program, you save up to $2. >>. >> paul: and you say you can do this without abusing the civil liberties of people and incarcerating them for months or years on end or treating him for months and years on end. >> well, you're treating people against their will sometimes for long periods of time although they're living in the community, if they have no awareness of their illness, if they really think the cia is sending those voices in their head and they have no awareness of their illness and the cia is telling them to do various things, these people need to be treated for a long period of time, but live in the community. >> paul: thanks for being here, and for